Notes
Rep Bobby Scott of VA, Subcommittee Chair
Hearing on HR6598 and HR6597
July 31, 2008, Rayburn Building
I can’t confirm subcommittee members present as the visual quality of the broadcast was poor and did not show all subcommittee members, camera only focused on those who spoke.
Chairman Scott opened the hearing, allowed Minority Ranking member Gohmert TX to address opposition to both bills.
Gohmert noted that AQHA and AWC oppose HR 6598, and entered letters to the record.
“transport is legal and regulated by USDA”
Concern: “requirement of intent”
We have two sides who paint completely different pictures.
Gohmert opposes HR6597, says it may not get us the info sought in regard to incidents.
Conyers spoke briefly and added his statement to the record, yielded his time.
Attendees/panel:
Liz Ross, AWI
Charles Stenholm, Sr policy advisor, Olsen law firm (ie lobbyist)
John Boyd, NBFA founder
Douglas Corey, DVM, AAEP immediate past pres.
Nicholas Dodman, DVM, Tufts, AVMA member, VEW founder
Wayne Pacelle, HSUS
Ross:
Spoke of horses slaughtered, unwanted horse claims.
Per USDA, 92% of horses in slaughter process are in good condition, not old or undesirable. Title 18 applies here as slaughter is inhumane and abusive.
Stenholm:
Noted that he represents livestock markets.
“All animals should be treated humanely”, humane treatment is debatable. It’s what happens. There will be and are unintended consequences. My clients can’t sell horses: there will be no buyers if this passes.
- unfunded mandate: additional burdens on state and federal resources
- not enough money to take care of all the unwanted horses
- this would superimpose your will on owners’ who want to have them slaughtered. If owners accept slaughter for their horses, you would prevent that right.
- this is private property rights.
- zoo’s need this.
Boyd:
We don’t eat horses. First learned of horse slaughter from the May 2008 Bryant Gumbel HBO piece. Neither he nor any of his board of directors were aware of slaughter before this. This is an issue of right and wrong. It’s an issue of greed, slaughter is wrong. The ‘unwanted theory’ is not the issue, the issue is the money, the profit.When we became aware of slaughter, we reached out: our membership will place horses.
Heat, hay costs are all factors, have been.
We take care of our livestock, we don’t eat horses.
Corey:
Horses are being severely impacted, the unwanted horses are listed in the media (mentioned dates of articles: Time mag, etc)
The harsh reality is that they can’t afford the care.
Per 2006 USDA: 102K processed in US, these unwanted horses.
We oppose because long term care and funding for horses affected is absent.
30k horses = $55M/yr for care.
Can the federal govt afford that?
Horse processing . . . the industry must work together: educate or inform owners.
75% of AAEP members voted to say horse processing should remain an option. ??
Dodman:
Noted his slaughter plant experience and as an anesthesia/consciousness expert.
Countered the unwanted horse claims by Corey, and his other claims.
Minus out the stolen horses, those bought under false pretenses.
This is a predatory, brutal industry.
Revenues go abroad, not the US.
Not humane, not anesthesia. It’s Auschwitz for horses. He described transport and kill box conditions he saw in Canada.
Polls and AVMA are wrong: they’re given limited data and come to wrong conclusion.
There is no data on horse increases without slaughter.
Pacelle:
As a society, we’re decent and responsible to animals, banned dog fighting.
Slaughter is animals opportunistically collected up for profit.
They concoct a defense: we’re doing them a favor by killing them.
Follow state cruelty statutes. Be humane to the less powerful. Law says that cruelty to animals is wrong.
He entered rescue info into the record.
Questions to panel:
Boyd responds to property rights per Stenholm “they belong to me”.
Boyd: Well, slaves were property. It’s wrong to slaughter. We can provide good homes with rescues. USDA doesn’t know the number of unwanted horses.
Ross responds to cost to localities:
Ross: Sees no post-bill economic impact. Slaughter is an economic drain, gave example of Paula Bacon and Kaufman, TX and the plant’s negative impact on their municipal sewer system, huge expense.
Stenholm was asked to address drug residues in meat.
Stenholm: All US meat went to Europe. Assumes that that was all in line with regs.
Scott: how do we know that the meat meets standards?
Stenholm: how could we?
Livestock markets will not be able to sell horses.
Boyd: I disagree that horses won’t be able to sell. No black farmer raises horses for human consumption.
Stenholm: US ate horses prior to WWII.
Economic necessity . . . wild horses, burros require funding. This would be imposing your will on an owner of the property.
Subcommittee member:
Are existing sanctuaries ready to absorb?
Ross: Slaughter of horses is reflective of market demand, not of the number of ‘unwanted’ horses. Facts of the stated reports don’t check out.
Boyd: we can’t regulate other countries. We should be looking at organizations: Farm Bureau, for example, to partner. Deal with the population here.
Conyers: how to bring Rep Gohmert to this?
Pacelle: This is about responsibility. There has been no defense of the commerce of horse slaughter, but responsibility is the issue. Be responsible.
Dodman: “They” adjust the facts to suit them. AVMA rejected his article. The AVMA website’s Q&A is distorting facts. It is abuse and neglect, they should say so.
Corey: It can be documented, it is real.
Gohmert: Agreed that horses are not raised for consumption. What is acceptable euthanasia? Accurate statistics would be desirable. Noted a constituent and their special needs children with equine program, the benefits. Can’t afford to put down their horses. What’s the best way?
Dodman: the best way is chemical euthanasia.
Gohmert: what about the CBG for euthanasia (via AVMA)?
Dodman: CBG is viable with a skilled operator and a horse with low blood pressure and controlled environment, but not at a slaughter plant. That’s a totally different situation: noise, activity, small target.
Corey: AVMA panel /00 or /02: barbiturates, gunshot or CBG ok.
Pacelle: Added factors: long distance transport, then additional suffering.
Noted that there are 34 million cattle on US farms and approx 1-2 million dead stock. This is regularly handled on farms. Large body disposal is doable.
Hearing ended 10:59 am.
Record remains open for additional materials (One week, I believe.)
1:37pm edited typo's. Thank you Autumn Smoke